Friday, December 22, 2006

The Fact of Evolution

I had just woken up from my early mid-evening beauty sleep and since I didn't have anything better to do but to watch the 5 episodes of Dexter I had downloaded all throughout last week, I thought I would engage dad (the only unsuspecting victim in the nearby proximity) in a little father-son debate. The subject being Evolution, I asked him what he thought it is. Just turning 50, Dad never studied the kind of science kids today are subjected to and I was pleasantly surprised to hear him reply "some kind of change brought about by nature?".

I explained to him that Evolution is the process by which organisms (every living thing) changes, for the better or worse, in an attempt to cope with its changing Environment. I took him to the Savannahs of Africa, where a lioness (This species have a strange social hierarchy. The more agile females does most of the hunting while the alpha male defends the pride's territories. A task coupled with his brute strength, for which he demands the Lion's Share) uses her fur color of orange to blend in with the surrounding grass (camouflage). I asked him what would happen if the lions' environment changed to a different color and he promptly replied that the lion's much more agile prey, the gazelle or the antelope would take off before she got close enough to pounce or pursue it. As a result, the lions would go hungry and eventually fade away from the face of the Earth (Extinction). But this doesn't happen, not always. Something triggers a series of changes in the species which allows them to cope with their surrounding changes, to adapt. In a fictional ecology, the lion's coat simply changes color, once again affording the mighty beast of its stealth, on which it is entirely dependant on for the very sake of survival. Dad contemplated all this for a while, and agreed that its a very likely possibility. I further explained to him that the adaptive measures the species took were built-in by nature and that they didn't necessarily have to be good or progressive. Then I explained the reason why I personally supported the theory. Morphological evidence (fossil records of creatures detailing descent from the Cambrian period more than 500-million years ago) and molecular evidence (DNA comparisons of organic life showing similarity). I also explained that most eukaryotic organisms take hundreds of thousands of years to develop a single feature, while simpler creatures such as viruses evolve rapidly, as shown by HIVs resistance to medication. (The reason why we haven't found a cure).

Evolution explains that all life on earth descended from a common ancestral being (common descent) and this is where the theory's non-conformity with religious ideologies begin. They are chiefly two sources of controversy. Some people think that Evolution limit the actions of an omnipotent God on His creation. Professor Frink when asked about his professional views on the matter, responds:

"Of course not [agreeing that God exists]. It just says that God is an impotent nothing from nowhere with less power than the Under Secretary of Agriculture, who has very little power in our system".
Dad was quick to point this out too. I told him that I did not believe that the lack of a divine intervention on each and everything that He created suggests that either He is non-existent or having power less than the under secretary Frink mentioned. Why does people find it so hard to believe God is unable, even with his omnipotence, to create a cosmos that is self-sustaining? Create life that can change with its surrounding environment? I told dad that is one of the most important reasons why I believe in His existence. The second reason why creationists dispel evolution is where it places us humans, as animals, sharing common ancestry with all other animals. Dad contested this for a while, but I told him that he was just speaking out of his human pride instilled by religion. Just because we walk upright and build weapons of mass destruction does not mean we are God's gift to the cosmos, and nor does it mean our creation is anything special. We have evolved too, probably from a less intelligent creature, and we have vestigial remains to prove it; the vermiform appendix and wisdom teeth to name some. To put it in the words of Paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould:

"Evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts do not go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's, but apples did not suspend themselves in mid-air, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape-like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

Still undefeated dad quoted the Koran (sorry, I like this anglicization better than the apostrophe-ridden conventional spelling) attesting God's creation of Adam from dust. I simply suggested that scholars may have misinterpreted the verse (Quite possible the way I see it, after all the book was written by the Almighty Himself. We can't expect it to be anything shallow). All life on earth has been characterised as carbon-lifeforms, which suggests that not just humans, but all life on earth was created using Carbon (a major constituent of soil, which makes up dust). Well, needless to say, dad swallowed this up and now believes Evolution is valid, that is until something else comes along and disproves it.

Note: I just read that evolution does not necessarily have to be progressive. Natural selection may favour less complex features if this adaptation increases the chance of survival; devolution.

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19 Comments:

Blogger Simon said...

Sorry to be, in a manner of speaking, "defacing" your blog with my comments again.

Looks like Dr. Sagan did his bit from the grave.

Keep going.

7:47 PM, December 22, 2006  
Blogger Unknown said...

The Quraan and the Ahaadith are very clear on this issue. Allah Ta'aala had created Adam (Alayhis Salaam) in the form of a human being. He was the first human being created in the world. Thereafter Allah Ta'aala created Hawwa (Alayha Salaam) as a wife for Adam (AS). From their relationship the human race began.

Hence the issue of evolution is not acceptable to muslims.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

9:01 PM, December 22, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

god is dead - said neitzche and allah ta'aala pissed in his pants.

10:02 PM, December 22, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about gsm , why not post something on that for a change?

12:24 AM, December 23, 2006  
Blogger f1x4n said...

Just for the record, Hikandhi Soru, all three major Abrahamic religions (thats Judaism, Christianity and Islam) denounces the theory of evolution and embraces creationism without question or doubt. Science and religion seems to often conflict with one another, so I find it wise to separate my belief and rationality. And oh, God just does not create something out of the blue, but rather instills mechanisms and due process, and that is what I personally strive to understand. I do agree with you on thing though, God knows best. Anonymous 1, Friedrich Nietzsche did say that God is dead, but he didn't mean that literally. Its just his way of saying that God is no longer considered to be a source of moral code or finality in nature and/or human creations. True. Please refrain from using such unabashed (and unwarranted) blasphemy in the future. Anonymous 2, all in time.

4:10 PM, December 23, 2006  
Blogger Thoriq said...

Hinkadhi Soru...hmm... a very suitable name I would say...! Dude your fatih would be so much stronger...if it was not blind! God did not ask you to believe something just because he said it...THINK ABOUT IT..and then believe it! When somebody says something question if what the person said is right...! Practice to challenge others beliefs and your own...and your faith would be so much more stronger...! Thank you!

4:17 PM, December 23, 2006  
Blogger f1x4n said...

Thoriq, you are more than welcome to express yourself, and in this case, I totally agree with you, but please, no personal attacks. Hikandhi Soru, I have learned to question everything and I found that getting answers only made my belief in God more concrete than ever before. Otherwise, its just blind faith, as Thoriq pointed out.

4:34 PM, December 23, 2006  
Blogger FehiNoo said...

quite an intresting idea uve got there fixan; i like the part about the reinterpretation of the Koran.

I think, the whole koran is highly symbolic, and thats the BEAUTY of it. that thers no one meaning, but so many meanings.

the Koran is deemed a miracle one of the reasons being that it is universal and applicable to all eras and times. and that can only be true coz it is soo unspecific (is that a word? anyway u get what i mean)

All those conservative mullahs out there need to rediscover the beauty of Islam

2:47 PM, December 24, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Islam doesnt denounce as u say..plese read more and clarify..thank u..great site..

2:55 PM, December 24, 2006  
Blogger f1x4n said...

Right on, Spontaneous. The scripture you mentioned is from God, the Beginning and the End, the Creator and Sustainer of Existence, so its just plain stupid to interpret even a single verse superficially. Hamza, I apologize for not fully understanding Islam's position on evolution but I am pretty sure that it doesn't support it. Islam embraces creationism and dubs every contradictory ideology heresy, just like Judaism and Christianity which precedes the religion. Do correct me if I am wrong and I'll glady do further reference.

3:29 PM, December 24, 2006  
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10:32 PM, January 05, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi there. Nice article, well written!

Just a few comments...
- Strictly speaking, the rate of evolutionary change depends on rate of reproduction. Simpler animals tend to reproduce in masses at extremely high frequency thus the rapid change.
- So err... ARE you a creationist who accomodates evolution by moving divine intervention just a bit step earlier, where God creates evolution instead of humans and life? :p
- I dont know whether you slipped in the one about humans being created from dust to convince your dad or you actually belive it. But the major chemical constituent of human body tends to be water and at atomic level, if by weight then Oxygen rules and if by mole, Hydrogen rules, both by enormously large margins. Where and how is Carbon more appropriate to justifying the "dust" revelation?

10:37 AM, February 18, 2007  
Blogger f1x4n said...

Jaa, I guess I am shifting His intervention even higher along the chain of events which led to creation. Lets place it nicely above the big bang, shall we? No, I am not a creationist but I find it impossible to totally rule out God from Creation. If you can convince us to the contrary, thereby effectively rendering Him non-existant, then please go ahead and explain. Chances are I am not very consistent with my argument here but I personally found that maintaining the co-existence of religion and scientific rationality trying so forgive me, I am doing my best... I can only be relieved if or when somebody produces an argument persuasive enough proving God's non-existence OR science is just jibberish (both are unlikely) Atheists, there is a 50% chance you'll end up in Hell just in case He does exist. Haha.

I was referring to the "Carbon-based lifeforms" fact, and not strictly the chemical constituency of life. Thanks for the comments Jaa, truly thought-provocative the bit about me being a [very peculiar] creationist.

1:32 PM, February 18, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First of all, note that a suggestion of a God just because one doesn't know how the universe came about or can't explain something X is a very very bad argument (known as argumentum ad ignorantiam). This is the same way that primitive people invented a Sun God or the Rain God purely because they couldn't understand/explain how the rain came about. There argument follows the similar line of reasoning which you suggest: we dont know how the rain is created so it must be created by a all powerful being that makes it and sends it.

Proving the non-existance of God is almost an impossibility. The fact that there are many so-called (versions) of God only complicates the matter further. However, this isn't a plus point towards proving the existance of a God because there are a million other things we can't prove. The usual example people throw in is the Celestial Teapot argument by Bertrand Russell, which says there is a teapot in orbit around the sun! Like God, this is not something we can prove! If teapots seem to be an absurd argument, take any other mythical creature - unicorns, jinni, leprecauns etc - but none of them can be proven to not exist either. Does it go towards proving that there is a teapot or that unicorns exist? Does it make a good rational argument? No! Note that one cant prove that there IS a God either! This is where the key rational decision comes. The logical stance in this is to be skeptical - a sort of agnostic position. A person should choose to not believe in the Flying Spagetti Monster because there is no evidence for it.

Further, moving the argument one step back towards ascribing it to a God isn't a valid move either. You add a God because you can't explain who created the universe. But then, who created a God? Ah, God created it all - it is an axiom you say? BUt then why do you assume the universe couldn't have created itself?? Why not that be a valid axiom? Interestingly, there are modern scientific hypotheses that theorize the existance of a number of universes. Check out M-THeory and the Many Worlds Interpretation of quantum mechanics. So, if/when we prove that this universe is just another universe in a sea of universes, do we then move the God character even backwards and say God created the sea of universes? Oh wait, so it really is a God of the Gaps?? An entity created to fill a void in knowledge and understanding?

And, the 50% chance doesn't apply to Atheists only. It applies to every religious belief. What if you are a Muslim truly believing in Allah, but it turns out the real God is Ganesh, the Hindu elephant God? You think Ganesha will let you slip? Allah doesn't so why'd Ganesha make the exception? See how ridiculous a stance any religion is ... just as atheism is considered to be?

10:19 PM, March 25, 2007  
Blogger f1x4n said...

I see your attention has shifted from Evolution to the concept of God now. Well, argumentum ad ignorantum pretty much got it right, I am just wondering who came up with the word, Roman agnostics or modern anthropologists.

Proving that God doesn't exist is improbably difficult, your Celestial Teapot argument by Russel was well put, we CAN'T really prove His existence just like we can't prove fairies and pandas exist. But you yourself claimed that these arguments can not verify that God (or pandas) does not exist either, so won't it be much more safer (on the spiritual front) to be a little bit more optimistic? Err.. that is if you are good, according to the Mullahs, and if you are Aaniya, you'd be better off being pessimistic in this regard.Thanks for the shout-out though I was already quite familiar with the string theory and the concept of a multiverse (read about an experiment involving photons being projected onto a screen through an apparatus wide enough to only allow photons in single file OR something; I think I was 13 when I read about it). God of the Gaps?!? LOL. Such philosophical blasphemey! (I can't ignore the logic though)

Let me elaborate. Fifty per cent chance that we Moslems are right, 50% chance the athiests, Christians, Jews, Hindus, Taoists etc are right. How can I be so sure that I am on the Heaven Express? C'mon, dude, the Koran is no Protocols of the Elders of Zion, so unless you find a way to discredit our Lords good book, I suggest you repent your evil ways or Satan is gonna have a swell time barbaquing your ass in Hell.

All kidding aside, let me be perfectly honest to you (and myself). I am skeptic, I am constantly questioning and challenging religious beliefs and practices that seem to contradict reason. My writing here on this blog will attest to that. I am not completely sure about God nor religion, so that makes me an agnostic or more specifically an agnostic theist since I give lip service to Islam (I am told that I can't be a proper Moslem because I "cherry pick" the ideas that appeal to my moral sensibilities and jettison the rest) There, thanks to your provocation, I finally came out of the closet. See you in Hell, I think I am getting a better suite than you.

8:31 AM, March 26, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hehe. Wasn't changing attention per se but rather was following on from your previous comment where you said you accepted evolution and moved God to a position of creating evolutionary cycle itself. I just thought I'd remark on why moving it, whether it be evolution or the universe, isn't anymore satisfactory an explanation - though the gap foes seem cosy enough to accomodate ...ahem... :P

I better stop commenting now :P

10:46 PM, March 26, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i find u n Jaa conversation quite interesting..Jaa please dont stop...i meant this is the rason for the hindereaance of thought..our fear of being judged and scrutinised for what we actually really beleive!!! i think God and creation is still a mystery and maybe if man spent mroe hours trying to understand that than amking ABombs and nuclear technology for destruction then maybe we would hav a much better answer or reference...anwyay...i think both of you should read Stephen Hawkins books...how he copmes to the conclusion of GFod....as considered oen of the greatest minds of our times we hav to rely on other ppl jusdgements for comparission..as liek Jaa sed the factor "X" still remains....

8:34 AM, March 27, 2007  
Blogger zim said...

Could it be the modern anthropologists minterpreting the roman agnostics

12:10 PM, March 27, 2007  

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